#8 Edited By Sungsam. You know that. Tier: High 1-B | At least High 1-B | High 1-A | High 1-A. Inbetweener. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. And he has just way more hax and reality manipulation against the mostly physical Goku to handle! 11. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael DemiurgosAll Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. George and Jessica vs Gaap and Ronove. Edit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. Pennywise beyond infinite-D has no basis. - Neither. All proof that is needed is the fact that he is beyond the marvel multiverse. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is. 0. Follow 8344. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. 0. Thanos with the HOTU is more powerful than LT as well, though I can't remember any massive feats he had. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. it would be mostly stalemate. Lucifer is definitely Pre-Retcon Beyonder tier while the Living Tribunal has become a jobber these past few years. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. Giratina has quickly established itself as one of the stronger characters of the Low 2-C tier. Solar Supercharge: Superman Prime One Million remained in Earth's sun, labelled as the "Super-Sun", for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably titanic levels. Morals off. Posts. but the other writers ruined and screwed up these characters. even characters like Doctor Doom, Spider-man were on God Tier using PRB Power. Although marvel uses numbers to calculate; it's as if he's Alef Null x Billion beyond infinity that already exist, which Tribunal and many others have already transcended. The Beyonder tells "We're the real. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. Molecule man, PR beyonder, post retcon beyonders, oblivion, one below all and many many more. Jump Force Goku view all Shonen as fiction how will Pre Retcon Beyonder will win. They’re 50 tonners at most. 7 K. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. 'Twas always thus, and always thus will be. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. which allows michael to ignore boundless narrative hierarchy and can create the concept to make new ones over and. This is just plain wrong, we see SK fighting abstract entities like the 5th God who infinitely dwarf the entire collective of human consciousness, wich in the verse includes Platonic and Neoplatonic philosophy, several religions like Buddhism and Taoism, and alephs and other higher teir mathematics. I'm not taking sides. Bill also got more experience than Beyonder since Bill is over 1 trillion-year-old. #15 Azronger. . 2 years ago. If someone can actually name a more. More than just high1-b, only this support for low 1-a. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. COIE Anti Monitor. #20. 11,059. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. This was obviously an insane level of power so he was eventually retconned to be weaker and also. Powers and Stats. It's simple. Galactus (when reasonably fed) and the strongest Celestials. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. The Physical Timeline Multiverse of DC has changed sizes from being 52 Timelines. Origin: Marvel Comics. . Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7 days ago. About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated. ( INT^1. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel". @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Even if it wasn't I'm pretty sure this wasn't added due to being a stomp. Nope. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s greatest heroes. So, I looked at The Beyonder's(Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely,. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. . . Pre Retcon Beyonder'in seviyesi benim gözümde Mandrakk ile aynıdır ki buna göre sadece Vertigodan bile bayağı bir karakter yazabilirim bende. Creaturemaster971. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. Basically he is like the Amalgam Brothers, but so much powerful the Brothers would be microscopic in comparison. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. PanzerX. LT literally held the entirety of Marvel and DC universe in the palm of. So BeyonderGod Beyonder > Cynical DemonbaneSearch titles only By: Search Advanced search…Beyonder by feats however after thinking about it i think EGD should win. Continental. His anti-feats are plot-induced because it's attempting to tell the story of him trying to figure out the Marvel multiverse because it's so tiny and simplistic in scope to the Beyonder realm. Jan 22, 2018; Thread starter #2 bump . Introduction on The Beyonder: OHOTMU v2 #16: The Beyonder was an extra-dimensional entity which was the sum of everything in the universe known as the Beyond-realm, and became aware of our universe/multiverse due to Owen's. Manhattan's league. g. Both are vastly above. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Poll Scathan The Approver vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (84 votes) Scathan 26%. Pre-Retcon Molecule Man is considered comparable to Pre-Retcon Beyonder, and there is a vast supply of evidence proves that Molecule Man was not in fact comparable to the. PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. This was the same time the first Secret Wars wherein Beyonder first. Molecule Man has fought Pre-Retcon Beyonder (who is more powerful than Dr. in classic era: Jim. The entire Watcher. The Mage: Molecule Man: Round 2: The Mages are Marauders. 3 years ago. In the comics Homelander’s best objective strength feat is throwing a fighter jet across a room and he doesn’t have anything comparable in the show. Hence, in. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . I mean, Beyonder hilariously outclasses Merc in terms of AP, but their conceptual hax seems about equal. TOAAPRESENCE1. ProfessorRespect. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. Supposedly it is equal but opposite to the Presence. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. Divyansh13. Manhattan is super strong. Beyonder one writer turned the Beyonder into nothing more than a street-level jobber begging his Daddy or the Lost One to give him some of his powers to create a universe full of gambling and girlfriends because he probably doesn't have the power to do it simply because the Lost One is the source of all his powers and abilities. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. Superhuman Strength: Superman Prime One Million has the ability to physically lift humongous levels of weight, and deliver physical blows of colossal magnitudes. 2. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. deactivated-5b3daad020468. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Mephisto saying the same power from Beyonder himself collected had potential to actually defeat Beyonder. Nice. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. Share Sort by: Best. Beyonder was affecting the entire Marvel multiverse or omniverse, or something like that, all at once. beyonder (pre-retcon) eternity galactus (marvel comics) marvel comics molecule man oblivion thanos (marvel comics) the beyonders the first firmament the living tribunal Replies: 12; Forum: Questions and Answers Pre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. He beat the Living Tribunal. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC. 0. ago. Victini could arguably do it if you allow Pokedex entries. The Beyond Realm is a existence that is beyond and older than the current Marvel Omniverse, Originally a realm that was from the Original Beyonder and due to retcons is currently housed by the Omnipotential beings known as The Beyonders. @bballaag: No, even pre retcon beyonder cannot defeat The Presence or even TOAA. Dec 24, 2015. the other is a High Tier Reality Warper with disgusting hax also. Name: Lucifer Morningstar Origin: DC Comics Classification: Angel Gender: Male Age: 10,000,000,000+ Years old Strength Lifting: Speed: Nigh-Omnipresence Striking Speed: Striking Strength: Durability: Intelligence: Nigh-Omniscience Range: Multiverse+ Level Destructive capacity. M. While thinking the Beyonder accidentally destroys the Omniverse. Using these lines of evidence, pre-retcon beyonder clearly wields greater control over reality than OT god. vs. 12984. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. 5 years ago Gojira25124-Beyonder True Omnipotent değildir sadece Hyperversal level omnipotenttir. It's Shown Here ''Upon reaching the House, he hid himself until the Defenders finished their business. Originally posted by the DarkoneThe brothers are the most powerfull in there Multiverse. Molecule Man utterly in fear admitted that Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) is on levels unimaginable to him and self-stated that he cant Match Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) in power meaning that Beyonder was infinitely more powerful than him even when he was above all the powers of the cosmic hierarchy (Including: The Living Tribunal himself). Also Beyonder obviously isn't mightier than TOAA virtue of TOAA literally being his author. A Pre-Retcon Beyonder is beyond the Galaxy, beyond Dimensions, beyond the Multi Verse and should easily stomp the absolute shit out of whatever pseudo intellectual Neil Gaiman fake mystic mumbo. " (Fun fact, guys like EGD and Beyonder exists outside. . Holo-Man • 3 yr. Tier Limit-Outerversal. " (Fun fact, guys like EGD and Beyonder exists outside. the Elder gods should be top of their tier. True Darkseid might actually have a chance though. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. we dont really see him at that tier because of how much good servants are at controlling collateral damage. And Pre-Retcon Beyonder was being overwhelmed by The Phoenix Force. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen being who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel Universe and had them do battle on another planet called Battleworld. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. but pre-Retcon Beyonder was explicitly a being outside of the Marvel totality. He is only nigh-omnipotent, nigh-omniescent, and nigh-omnipresent. If this. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. Random encounter. • 1 year ago. @jashro44. Business, Economics, and Finance. @amendment50 @jardinain2 @decaf_wizard @watcher5000 Can help you out with his feats. With that said: Beyonder has ultimate authority in a void. In the comics Homelander’s best objective strength feat is throwing a fighter jet across a room and he doesn’t have anything comparable in the show. Similarly, two characters in the same tier need not necessarily be equivalent in terms of power. #1 quandaledingle. And form. 7 years ago. Almost any high tier character can beat him"Motion Carried!" ― Alien X Alien X is a sample of Celestialsapien DNA recorded in the Omnitrix that Ben Tennyson can utilize to take up the characteristics of a Celestialsapien. Jan 22, 2017. The only known beings who are above them are Lucifer, Michael and The Presence. The First and Second Retcon Beyonder are not above The LIving Tribunal. Beyonders too has proven in little EXP because h e has lost his power on various occasions and despite claiming to be omniscient, but in practice had to learn everything by experience. However, since infinite force and energy is the highest degree of strength that a character can reach in terms of physics there would be no level of power above what is necessary to destroy an infinite universe, i. Post retcon would be a closer fight. All of Dr. ''. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins fairly convincingly. 8 years ago. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. I think HOI vision, GOS loki, GOP thor all beat astral regulator Thanos (arguments can show that gop and gos neg thanos) that's only to name a few, I'm sure there's more specially since u included non cannon. God-Tier John armed with his Retcon Powers tries to solo your favorite verse. Name: Beyonder. Multiversal. Bill also got more experience than Beyonder since Bill is over 1 trillion-year-old. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Creation. 5: Anyone with The Infinity Gauntlet (When it could be used in Unison)You need to be logged in to post comments. And those mirrors were so fucking weak, that a bunch of low tier demons were already destroying them. He's a high tier multiversal reality warper. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. Both Beyonder (assuming this is him outside his personal realm) and the Presence, since both are like Low 1-B, this could go either way. S. It’s not. These sorts of characters tend to push higher on the scale occasionally -- notably, Molecule Man was able to match Pre-Retcon Beyonder and he and Franklin Richards recreated the multiverse. However, Post-Retcon is going down, hard. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. New comments cannot be posted. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. I really can't be asked to go. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A(more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B(same as The Beyonder). -Everything in bleach. Follow 5232. Alovenus is the strongest in fiction since Alovenus>Omnipotent beings. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. 0. Rune King Thor can't beat Omnipotential beings such as The Beyonders and Cosmic Cubes. 3. Immersion: Beyonder (Pre/Post-Retcon), GoS Loki, HOI Vision, The One Above All and Multi Eternity via Eternity Mask, Deadpool with the Continuity Gem and She-Hulk (Classics); formerly Plot Resistance: The Beyonders (Ivory King), Beyonder (Post-Retcon); scaling from the other beyonders and GoS Loki Toon Force: She-Hulk. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Tier: 1-B | 1-A. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. Nov 25, 2017. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy and could assume any gender that "he" wanted) Age: Unknown. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is. 1 of 2 Go to page. Lucifer stomps. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. 2. A Beyonder easily ripping off Thor's arm. He encompasses all of dimensionality, but he does not transcend it. Pre Retcon Beyonder is multiversal while Homelander is low A tier. And Anyone that says Dragonball characters can beat someone like the Living Tribunal is delusional. Plot Manipulation user (Marvel Comics) Defenders: Beyond #1-5 Beyonder Post-Retcon: It was stated and proven that he was capable manipulating his own canonicity and is aware of his own pervious retcons. 81. It depends which version of Molecule Man, Pre-Retcon Molecule Man will win against Dr. @zxzcczzcxz said: Fodder comic verse that lose to barely street tier verse and can't beat Warframe and Destiny vs high. According to that one guy Anos could do it,. Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. Type Solar vs. (50% off!) Beyonder vs The Presence. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. Not even remotely close. Omnipotent, Beyonder organized an event called Secret Wars, in which he kidnapped the most important superheroes and supervillains in the Marvel universe, for a confrontation between them on a distant planet. 8 years ago. . Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. He. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Scarlet King (SCP). Xeranthemum from Suggsverse, at least going by the wiki. so i think the only characters. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Doom did. Only the Great Evil Beast is equal to The Presence. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. But basically Dr. So he could just kill them and the concepts they represent. 1 Answer. "For the. Powers are basically the same thing. 81. Beyonder. 7. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. Dreamxd26 • 2 yr. Beyonder (Post-Retcon) Beyonder Prime Marvel Universe. So it turns out that the Beyonder from Secret Wars,Secret Wars 2 is returning in the current Defenders run: Cannot connect to Twitter. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. which is. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. #5. Black Friday DEAL: 1 Year Membership for $5. Speed. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. Honestly, current molecule man is a powerhouse even now, maybe even more so than his Pre-Retcon self. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Rememeber he is a CONCEPT who wields power enough for him to create and destroy 60 billion. 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. @zxzcczzcxz said: Fodder comic verse that lose to barely street tier verse and can't beat Warframe and Destiny vs high. There's a reason why the word "retcon" is used; pre-retcon Beyonder doesn't exist anymore. Follow 3209. So I might be missing something. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. 2. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. 548. 8 ) ^ TIER Super Power Score and Level. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. pre retcon beyonder is supposed to be above the living tribunal ( LT couldn't defeat him so he asked for MM's help) 11 years ago. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. The One Above All; Beyonder (Pre Retcon). MM is superior to LT due to defeating the Beyonders, who one-shotted LT in a. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. ago. but the other writers ruined and screwed up these characters. Gen. Beyonder pre retcon up to 1A and possible H1A Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. 2. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. This is shown many times throughout Secret Wars 2. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder. The Beyonder(Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Attack techniques and abilities: The Presence has many aspects including. Can he beat them?Magi and Saint seiya can take down the post retcon versions but not pre retcon. He killed all the beyonders who were the grown ups of this pre Retconned beyonder and literally absorbed their power and he was able to actually trap am. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Rune King Thor can still lose to the Abstract beings such as Eternity and Infinity. The Beyonder is an Cosmic powerful being from beyond the Marvel multiverse In the "Secret Wars" storyline, he brought. Again, I don’t kno Fu, but if he’s Hyperversal as ur sayin, or even higher, then he’d def beat Post-retcon. As we can recall Pre Retcon Molecule Man was close in range to The Pre-retcon Beyonder, but even still was no match for him. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. #1 KalKent1297. Well COIE Anti Monitor, as powerful as he may be, is actually a little out of his league here. Keenko. 14 years ago. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. 5 )^2 + (SPE*0. Reply. R. Hajun via feats and implied power. You know that. The 2nd Existential Seed said: Beyonder is either one of two things: Millions times stronger then Eternity, or millions times more powerful than LT + ( Even though I believe the first ) . Here, let me pull a Beyonder feat out of my ass: With mere thoughts, the Beyonder subjects the entirety of Earth and all of its' inhabitants (down to the very microbes) to his rule, causing the most powerful leaders to bow to him instantly. Follow 41274. A statement from Mephisto referring to that part of power as "so potenti is this. He still wins the fight imo . Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. A desperate Molecule Man begins crying about the. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. 4,925 4,750. It should however be noted that sometimes having overall destructive capacity is not enough to defeat others that have "broken" or "hax" abilities. Death from what I remember had no power of Lucifer, only Destiny did - so I think it's safe to assume she scales below him. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. He encompasses all of dimensionality, but he does not transcend it. 7. Round 2: Franklin wins. Bonus round : pre retcon beyonder vs Rimuru. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. ago No. everything else is nothing to him Galactus. Who can beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is a nigh omnipotent high tier multiversal reality warper there is no way in hell Anti-Spiral or even Simon could win against someone on that level of power. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had over the comics. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. - Fight Scenario -. 0. Apr 8, 2018. Also, it's important to know Molecule Man has also so been retconned, so you should put Pre-Retcon Molecule Man. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. we dont really see him at that tier because of how much good servants are at controlling collateral damage. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Matter of fact she doesn’t even beat Mister Mxyztplk. 8 years ago. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. Skyfather. He’s high tier Outerversal. M. The old prerecton beyonder wasnt the same as the current beyonders, but he was related to them. VERDICT: For those unaware beyonder is not just 1-A: He's HIGH 1-A, FAR greater than infinity itself. Universal. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Pre-retcon Beyonder, ect. 5. By their logic, Twilight Sparkle solos about 90% of Marvel and DC. He would also be the main villain in. Open comment sort options Best; Top; New. deactivated-621c40d36c53f. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power? Scan in question. Yeah,it’s been retconned . Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Alien X (author statements included). He is superior to LT, but to what degree is unknown. R2: God stomps. Basically, I am perfectly fine with rating pre-retcon Beyonder as likely 1-A, as Oblivion had already been established at the time, but if Marvel establishes a new character that. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. 1. And a similar amount more powerful than everything in the MU combined. They live here, and decided to fuck shit up. Phoenix isn't above Pre-Retcon Beyonder, Beyonder was merely overwhelmed by the knowledge that each individual has their own life and began to understand why he should care. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character.